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为发展中国的病理事业, 为病理学科后继有人,Let’s work together!

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标本名称: Major challenges facing pathology and pathologists in China.
简要病史: In the past 30 years, China has transformed significantly and made outstanding achievement in many fields.  For example, China now has the best high-speed trains, best 5 star hotels, best shopping malls, and so on. That is all wonderful. But in the meantime, pathology services in China have not been improved portionally.
肉眼检查:  国病理人才越来越少,病理学科的发展停滞不前.

 

诊断: 症结就在于 pathology as an important medical discipline is misclassified in China

 

 

I agree with many points made by  “不能考执业的病理研究生都来看看.  In fact, “病理研究生无法报考执医而从业” is only one of the major challenges facing pathology and pathologists in China.  There are several other related issues and serious challenges.

 

 

I.   症结就在于 pathology is misclassified in ChinaIn most part of the world, including U.S.A, pathology service belongs to one of key clinical disciplines! But pathology diagnostic service in China is classified as “second class, auxiliary” clinical discipline. 

 

The inappropriate classification of pathology in clinical disciplines determines the social-economic status of pathology and pathologists.  As a result, the misclassification of pathology causes subsequently three key problems, among others:

 

(1)    The status of pathology service is not well respected by other “major” clinical services. 病理学科在疾病的诊断和治疗中的关键作用有目共睹. Pathology diagnosis is the gold standard! But in China, only when a malpractice happens, people (the CEOs, presidents of the hospitals) realize the importance of pathology. Otherwise, not much attention is paid to pathology. 病理科是不讨好的科室. Pathologists are just humble “grandchildren” in the hospital. 病理科 often time has  small work spaces, unfavorable locations, and very limited resource allocations of the hospital budget.

 

(2)    病理医生低收入. In USA, pathology is very competitive medical discipline, and pathologists in USA are paid reasonably well compared to other clinical disciplines! One of the main reasons is that the pathology diagnostic service fees in USA consist of “professional component (about 70%), and material/instrument component (about 30%)”. But in China, the services fees consist mainly of material/instrument component. We need to change this: pathologists in China need to get higher salaries!

 

(3)    Because of the above 1 and 2,  国病理人才越来越少,病理学科的发展停滞不前. A lot of young students with interest and knowledge of pathology are ending up doing something else!

 

I have visited more than 80 Chinese hospitals/university medical centers since I practiced pathology in U.S.A in 1999. There are significant shortages of good dedicated pathologists in China. Many places re-hired retired pathologists/professors since talent young medical students want to do other medical disciplines rather than pathology because the above problems. As a matter of fact, the situation was not the same when I was studying pathology in China in early 1980. At that time,  pathology service was still considered as a clinical discipline as other major medical disciplines and many dedicated medical graduates chose pathology as a career.

 

 

II.  In summary,  new policy should be considered to address problems of pathology in China.  New policy should be discussed, planned, tested, and implemented based on three major aspects, namely professional input, international standards, and the demands from the society!!

 

(1). Professional input, as stated in the above, is already very clear.

 

(2). International standards are also easy to check via web, international pathology organizations, and international pathologists including myself.

 

(3). The demands from the society, from the patients, are very high. China has transformed significantly during the past 30 years.  For example, China now has the best 5 star hotels, best high-speed trains, and best shopping malls. That is wonderful. But pathology services have not been improved during the same period of time. In fact, they are becoming worse.  China, and Chinese people need the best pathologists!! Chinese patients need to enjoy the best quality of pathology diagnosis services!!

 

III. We need to work together to solve the problems. Each and everyone of the pathology community have the responsibility and duty to respond to the problems. We need every 病理医生积极主动参与的热情. The following are major suggestions:

            (1). To mobilize all national and local pathology organizations. It is very important to act as a massive group, with a stronger voice! To mobilize the media: newspapers, websites, radio and TV stations. Huaxia Pathology website is a very useful platform. To unite organizations of other medical disciplines, which are relied on pathology services.

 

            (2) To address the issues one by one directly: namely RECLASSIFY PATHOLOGY DIAGNOSTIC SERVICE AS A MAJOR CLINICAL MEDICAL DISCIPLINE!! SO IT WILL promote the social-economic status of pathology service and pathologists among the professional field of medicine.

 

            By doing this, the whole landscape of pathology will change: more and more people will do pathology, more and more resources will be allocated to pathology services and pathology research. The final mission of medicine, serving the patients well, will be accomplished. However, these all need the involvement of pathology organizations and every pathologist. Everyone can make a contribution to this effort.

            To address the problem of 病理研究生无法报考从业,  it also needs to 制定一个严格的完善的准入、管理体系, 准许病理研究生直接参加医师考试. But 病理研究生 still needs to be trained for additional years before being allowed to sign out pathology diagnosis report.

 

             

发展国的病理事业, 病理有人Let’s work together

 

I certainly will try my best to contribute to this long-term project.

 

谈东风   May 27, 2010 from Houston.

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121 楼    发表于2010-06-03 16:57:00举报|引用
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 我们一直在努力学习,谁说不能考执业医啦,只要临床本科毕业就可以考啊!
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122 楼    发表于2010-06-03 19:28:00举报|引用
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 是的,只要是临床本科毕业的病理学硕士是可以考的啊。
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123 楼    发表于2010-06-04 19:01:00举报|引用
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一位老师的回复转贴:

"小荷老师:
你推荐的文章我认真看了,这个问题确实存在而且在病理界高层一直是重视的,但实践看来靠病理本身也是无法解决的。
通过大家联名向上反应是可以的,先通过病理网征集大家意见,更要向媒体宣传解释一下,不能引起误解,向上实事求是地说明一下问题,总之为国、为民都是好事。但根据国情,许多事不是一下就能办成的,要有耐心"
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124 楼    发表于2010-06-05 10:39:00举报|引用
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以下是引用小荷在2010-6-4 19:01:00的发言:

 

一位老师的回复转贴:

"小荷老师:
你推荐的文章我认真看了,这个问题确实存在而且在病理界高层一直是重视的,但实践看来靠病理本身也是无法解决的。
通过大家联名向上反应是可以的,先通过病理网征集大家意见,更要向媒体宣传解释一下,不能引起误解,向上实事求是地说明一下问题,总之为国、为民都是好事。但根据国情,许多事不是一下就能办成的,要有耐心"

通过病理网征集大家意见,大家联名向上反应


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126 楼    发表于2010-06-08 22:23:00举报|引用
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 这个贴子怎么在论坛的顶部找不到了?

大家回帖好像也少了很多,革命不能只靠一腔热情啊!还望各位积极想办法,要不先制定一个五年规划?

凡是该做的,如联名向卫生部反映、找物价部门重新核定价格、直接向院长反映等等,一样都不能少。如果我们把该做的做了,该说的说了之后,国内病理和病理医师的地位和待遇还没有得到提高的话,医疗卫生事业就真的没希望了。

记得谈老师说1980年以前很多人愿意从事病理,可那时中国好像比较穷啊,为什么呢?

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 MD vs PhD, 2 things.
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真相本来就在那里,我们只是努力的去靠近甚至找到她并一探究竟。

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以下是引用fyshan在2010-6-9 0:22:00的发言:

 MD vs PhD, 2 things.

同意!
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 人大代表代表个鸟  还不是耶普耶普岛!
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In our China,MD of clinical pathology,anyone who has such the tittle.

PhD of pathology,in our China,almost is same as the MD in US.

How can we do?how about your feeling?

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 感谢谈老师
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以下是引用掌心0164在2010-6-1 19:12:00的发言:

 

 人的一生只有两件事情可以做:

1、改变自己的无知

2、满足自己的欲望

想清楚这两件事情之后很多事情都变得简单。

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