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Breast core biopsy with 8 cores. There are multiple breast lesions. Try you diagnosis one by one.

Lesion 1 20x and 400x

  • Breast lesions cqz (12) (2-16-2009)图1
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标签:LCIS CCC FEA ADH 导管内乳头状肿瘤 放射状瘢痕
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41 楼    发表于2009-03-02 21:51:00举报|引用
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 1、LCIS

2、ADH

3、导管扩张伴分泌物潴留

4、导管内乳头状瘤

5、平坦型上皮不典型性

6、放射状瘢痕

7、普通导管增生,非典型导管增生,低级别导管内原位癌

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42 楼    发表于2009-03-03 08:46:00举报|引用
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本帖最后由 于 2009-02-17 09:11:00 编辑

 Lesion 2

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44 楼    发表于2009-02-18 14:22:00举报|引用
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 此病变有以下特征:

1 导管上皮增生,伴有轻-中度非典型增生

2 导管上皮乳头状增生,伴大汗腺化生

3 导管囊性扩张伴分泌物潴留

4 导管内乳头状瘤

5 ?是导管良性病变

6  纤维囊性乳腺病

7  腺病,导管上皮增生,伴中度非典型增生。

新手上路,望各位老师多多指教。 

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45 楼    发表于2009-03-05 10:21:00举报|引用
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 Thank every one for giving dx for this case.

1. Lobular carcinoma in situ (immunostains support the diagnosis.

2 Micropapillary apocine change or metaplasia. Uniform nuclei, micropapillary growth pattern. It is completely benign. Papilary or micropapillary apoccrin changes are very common. It is part of fibrocystic changes (FCC). Generally I just call FCC and d not mention the apocrine cmetaplasia. If they are ductal epithelial cells without apocrine change. The lesions with the same cytomorphology need to be diagnosed as ADH or low grade DCIS with micropapillary pattern. This is why I pasted this photo here.

3. Columinar cell change (CCC): Single layer of columnar cells lining the dilated acini with secretion. I do not see atypia even though some nuclei are round. It  is not enough to call flat epithelial atypia even though the lining cells are not classic columinar cells.

4. Intraductal papilloma.

6. Radial scar. It is not a wrong diagnosis if you call sclerosing diangosis. They are in the same categry of the lesions.

In our hospital if diagnosis is radial scar in breast core biopsy, breast surgeons will do an excisional biopsy. So we are cautious for this diagnosis if no other severe lesions in the breast core. I think there were some studies which indicated tha radial scars increase the risk of cancers. But I am really not sure it is true. So if it is not a typical radial scar, I generally will not call it. I may call sclerosing adenosis. For this case I think it is reasonable to call radial scar.

OK, I have to do sth now.  We will discuss the photo 5 and 7.

You can write your oppinion about the 5 lesions if you do not agree with me.

I f you agree, we can concentrate on the other two lesions now.

Thanks,

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46 楼    发表于2009-03-05 10:23:00举报|引用
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 Welcome some one who will help to translate into English if you would like to. thanks
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47 楼    发表于2009-03-05 12:10:00举报|引用
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本帖最后由 于 2009-03-19 23:44:00 编辑  赵大夫讲的非常好,受益匪浅,译文如下:Thank every one for giving dx for this case.感谢大家给本例的病理诊断。1. Lobular carcinoma in situ (immunostains support the diagnosis).1、小叶原位癌,免疫组化支持该诊断。2 Micropapillary apocine change or metaplasia. 2、微乳头大汗腺化生或大汗腺改变。Uniform nuclei, micropapillary growth pattern. 一致的细胞核,微乳头排列。It is completely benign.完全是良性。 Papilary or micropapillary apoccrin changes are very common. 乳头状或微乳头性的大汗腺改变是非常常见的。It is part of fibrocystic changes (FCC).这是纤维囊性变的一部分(FCC) Generally I just call FCC and do not mention the apocrine cmetaplasia.一般情况下我们说纤维囊性变而不说大汗腺化生。 If they are ductal epithelial cells without apocrine change. 如果纤维囊性变的导管上皮细胞没有大汗腺改变,The lesions with the same cytomorphology need to be diagnosed as ADH or low grade DCIS with micropapillary pattern. 而这种改变有相同的细胞形态,应该被考虑为非典型导管增生或有微小乳头的低级别导管原位癌,This is why I pasted this photo here.这就是我为什么要贴本例的原因。3. Columinar cell change (CCC): Single layer of columnar cells lining the dilated acini with secretion. 3、柱状细胞改变(CCC):单层柱状上皮细胞衬复在有硬化扩张的腺泡上,I do not see atypia even though some nuclei are round.虽然其核圆,我没有看到异形性, It  is not enough to call flat epithelial atypia even though the lining cells are not classic columinar cells.虽然内衬上皮细胞不是典型的柱状细胞,不能称之为扁平上皮非典型性。4. Intraductal papilloma.4、导管内乳头状瘤。6. Radial scar. 6、放射状疤痕,It is not a wrong diagnosis if you call sclerosing diangosis.如果称为硬化性腺病,也不错。 They are in the same categry of the lesions.这是同一范畴的病变。In our hospital if diagnosis is radial scar in breast core biopsy, breast surgeons will do an excisional biopsy. 在我们医院,粗针活检如果诊断放射状疤痕时,乳腺外科医生会做切取活检。So we are cautious for this diagnosis if no other severe lesions in the breast core.因此如果乳腺粗针活检没有其它严重病变时,我们诊断放射状疤痕非常慎重。 I think there were some studies which indicated tha radial scars increase the risk of cancers.我看到许多文献提出放射状疤痕增加了癌肿危险。 But I am really not sure it is true.但我不确定确实如此。 So if it is not a typical radial scar, I generally will not call it. 因此如果不是典型的放射状疤痕我们也不诊断。I may call sclerosing adenosis.我们称为硬化性腺病。 For this case I think it is reasonable to call radial scar.本例,有理由认为它就是放射状疤痕。OK, I have to do sth now.  We will discuss the photo 5 and 7.以后会讨论5-7.You can write your oppinion about the 5 lesions if you do not agree with me.如果谁不同意以上5种意见也可以写出自己的意见。I f you agree, we can concentrate on the other two lesions now.如果同意,这两例讨论总结至此。Thanks,cz谢谢大家。赵大夫。

 

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48 楼    发表于2009-03-05 18:06:00举报|引用
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 同意赵老师的分析和诊断。

图5还不能说有不典型性。图7的大部分应该是平坦型上皮非典型性(FEA),但如果FEA上皮增生到最后一张图的程度时,我更愿意诊断非典型导管上皮增生(ADH)。

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49 楼    发表于2009-02-18 22:10:00举报|引用
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 Dr. Zhao,

Thank you very much for sharing interesting case and beautiful pictures. It's very nice to learn your cases. I am too tired. I wil come back tomorrow.

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50 楼    发表于2009-03-05 20:21:00举报|引用
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 同意赵老师1-4和6的诊断。5是柱状细胞病变,左侧是否有轻度不典型增生?,7主要是柱状细胞病变伴不典型增生,低级别导管原位癌似乎欠一点的样子。期待5和7的结果。
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51 楼    发表于2009-02-19 20:16:00举报|引用
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以下是引用luolili在2009-2-18 14:22:00的发言:

 此病变有以下特征:

1 导管上皮增生,伴有轻-中度非典型增生

2 导管上皮乳头状增生,伴大汗腺化生

3 导管囊性扩张伴分泌物潴留

4 导管内乳头状瘤

5 ?是导管良性病变

6  纤维囊性乳腺病

7  腺病,导管上皮增生,伴中度非典型增生。

新手上路,望各位老师多多指教。 

Congratulation for you. some are right, bur some may be not correct. Please find a breast pathology book to check the photos. You can get more cases right.
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52 楼    发表于2009-02-19 21:24:00举报|引用
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 1,小叶瘤变(LN) vs DCIS累及小叶

2,有些说不准,因为细胞像大汗腺化生,但似乎在腔内有tuft 或纤维芯,是否为乳头状瘤或低级别DCIS

3,是囊肿(cyst),上皮是否有柱状细胞病变,有待去办公室翻书

4,导管内乳头状瘤,伴硬化

5,低级别LN

6,是腺病

7,低级别DCIS,伴柱状上皮病变

Waiting for the explanaiton of Dr.Zhao.Thanks for sharing the challenging case.

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53 楼    发表于2009-02-19 22:17:00举报|引用
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 腺病,局部区域腺上皮轻~中度非典型増生.

11楼说的中听.

以下是引用luolili在2009-2-18 14:22:00的发言:

 此病变有以下特征:

1 导管上皮增生,伴有轻-中度非典型增生

2 导管上皮乳头状增生,伴大汗腺化生

3 导管囊性扩张伴分泌物潴留

4 导管内乳头状瘤

5 ?是导管良性病变

6  纤维囊性乳腺病

7  腺病,导管上皮增生,伴中度非典型增生。

新手上路,望各位老师多多指教。 

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54 楼    发表于2009-02-20 13:29:00举报|引用
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 Thanks for Dr. Zhao's reply .You made me more confident  in studing pathology. I'll read professional books to answer again.
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55 楼    发表于2009-02-20 18:36:00举报|引用
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1. Lobular carcinoma in situ.

2.atypical duct hyperplasia, papillary variant.

3.dilated duct.

4. papilloma.

5.columnar cell change

6.sclerosing adenosis

7.columnar cell lesions including columnar cell change, columnar cell hyperplasia,flat epithelial atypia(atypical duct hyperplasia?)

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56 楼    发表于2009-02-20 19:16:00举报|引用
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 1. lobular neoplasia
2. nuclear grade 1 DCIS, apocrine type
3. flat epithelial atypia
4. florid ductal hyperplasia/intraductal papilloma
5. flat epithelial atypia and nuclear grade 1 DCIS
6. radial scar
7. a. columnar cell change, b.atypical coloumnar cell change, c. cribriform DCIS
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57 楼    发表于2009-02-21 05:43:00举报|引用
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 Quickly review all of your interpretation. Most of them are reasonable. In this topic I will concentrate for the interpretaion of FEA, columnar cell change. If you are interested you can review the text book or related articles for some photos first. Then we can have some discussion together. Dr. Stuart, J. Schnitt from Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Harward Medical School, Boston, MA did a lot of study in this area. In fact he raised some terms. Frequently speaking, I am often confused by the diagnosis of FEA in my clinical practice.

Hope more people share the diagnosis about my first 7 lesions from the same patient.

Thanks,

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58 楼    发表于2009-02-21 05:48:00举报|引用
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 To 漫游人,

Welcome you join our discussion and share your experience. I saw your discussion for one of my gynecologic case. Very good interpretation for the rare ovarian tumor. Thanks, cz

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59 楼    发表于2009-03-07 09:15:00举报|引用
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 good case!

good discuss!

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60 楼    发表于2009-03-07 23:55:00举报|引用
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 谢谢老师图片。先下载,明天先翻一下书。。
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