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Old man with a lung mass 3 cm.

Radiologist did CT-guided FNA and I did on site evaluation this afternoon. I called malignant cells based on above one DQ. The procedure was stopped because patient had bleeding and also I think I should have enough cells for a cell block. Cytopathologists are required to give diagnosis (at least malignant, atypical, benign) on site in our institute if it is possible.

In fact I really do not know what kinds of tumor for this case. I have not seen the Pap stain yet. I have my differential dx and ordered some IHC already.

Hope people who see this case write down your differential dx and IHC.

When I have IHC results I will put here.

Wish more people love FNA cytology
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21 楼    发表于2008-11-28 21:15:00举报|引用
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 I just want to correct one thing. What I mean is CK7阳性和EMA阴性 IS NOT FIT FOR 肾透明细胞癌. 肾透明细胞癌usually is CK7- and EMA+. Renal papillary carcinoma is usually CK7+.
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22 楼    发表于2008-11-28 21:31:00举报|引用
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 谢谢陈博士的指导!不好意思,是我理解错误!
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23 楼    发表于2008-11-28 21:45:00举报|引用
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 学习学习!
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24 楼    发表于2008-12-02 12:23:00举报|引用
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 It is intereting. I do not know why I can add more photos in this topic. I can add in other topic. Please let me know why. Thanks
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 It is intereting. I do not know why I can add more photos in this topic. I can add in other topic. Please let me know why. Thanks

Sorry. It should be "i do not know why I cannot add more photos in this topic."
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26 楼    发表于2008-12-02 18:18:00举报|引用
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本帖最后由 于 2008-12-02 18:19:00 编辑
以下是引用cqzhao在2008-12-2 12:24:00的发言:

以下是引用cqzhao在2008-12-2 12:23:00的发言:

 It is intereting. I do not know why I can add more photos in this topic. I can add in other topic. Please let me know why. Thanks

Sorry. It should be "i do not know why I cannot add more photos in this topic."

回Dr.cqzhao:如果想把更多的相片放1楼,请点编辑,继续上传就好了。

如果在回帖中放相片,先打几个字发表,然后点编辑再上传就好。

如果还不行,可能是网络问题,我发信息给坛主或管理员,请他们解决。

请Dr.cqzhao先喝杯茶,休息一下!

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27 楼    发表于2008-12-02 19:42:00举报|引用
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 赵老师好!如果在一楼加入新图片,如天山望月所说,点"编辑",继续上传.

如果回复主题加入图片,可以点左上角"  回复主题"其中的"回复话题".您测试看看.有什么问题,我们再交流.谢谢您!

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本帖最后由 于 2009-09-16 20:24:00 编辑  感谢楼主赵老师!感谢版主陈隆文博士!感谢翻译高手月新!此例非常精彩,值得我们认真学习和思考,建议网站将此贴收入细胞学精品贴集,待此类精品贴收集到一定数量后可以作为名家经典病案出本书。
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 Please help to delete the similar topic which cannot be opened. Thanks
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Lung mass FNA today Please join in the discussion

请大家参加本例肺穿病理讨论(cqzhao 翻译如下)Old man with a lung mass 3 cm.老男人,肺有三公分的包块, Radiologist did CT-guided FNA and I did on site evaluation this afternoon. X光大夫在CT导引下做细针肺穿操作。下午我在现场做细胞学评估, I called malignant cells based on above one DQ. 根据其中一张细胞学DQ快速染色片,我认为是恶性  The procedure was stopped because patient had bleeding因为患者穿过程中有出血and also I think I should have enough cells for a cell block. 我也认为有了足够的细胞数量了,可以做细胞块切片。因此,操作马上就停止了。 Cytopathologists are required to give diagnosis (at least malignant, atypical, benign) on site in our institute if it is possible. 我们医院规定病理学家在肺穿操作现场,其目的是尽量给出病理结论:至少要说出是否为恶性细胞,非典型细胞或良性细胞。 In fact I really do not know what kinds of tumor for this case.实际上本例我不知道这例肿瘤的结果, I have not seen the Pap stain yet.到现在也没有看巴氏涂片, I have my differential dx and ordered some IHC already.我有不同的诊断,并且要求做免疫组化, Hope people who see this case write down your differential dx and IHC.大家帮助做出诊断并且提出要做的免疫组化项目 When I have IHC results 我们的免疫组化结果出来I will put here.我马上会放到这里, Wish more people love FNA cytology希望更多的病理专家参加我们的讨论。

 

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31 楼    发表于2008-11-21 23:18:00举报|引用
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本帖最后由 于 2008-11-21 23:21:00 编辑  老师提出的这种现场做诊断的方法真好,应该学习。但是,这种DQ快速染色我看不习惯,感觉不象一个恶性肿瘤。多数细胞为组织细胞。可能为吞噬脂质。只有最后一张片子里的一个细胞似乎有异性。本例感觉是炎性改变,更提不出要做什么免疫组化。希望高手发表意见。
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 恶性,考虑低分化腺癌,胞浆似有粘液样空泡,联系临床病史,原发或转移?

不排除恶性组织细胞增生症。

 

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33 楼    发表于2008-11-23 03:28:00举报|引用
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 Very large and irregular nuclei with multinucleation and hyperchromatia. They should be malignant cells. 
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34 楼    发表于2008-11-24 23:36:00举报|引用
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 This case is interesting and may have a broad differential diagnosis.  The monotonous population of cells is supporting a neoplastic process. Cells are arranged loosely with little cohesion, cells have abundant cytoplasm with cytoplasmic vaculoes. I am wondering about the possibility of  metastatic Renal Cell Carcinoma? Also adrenal cortical carcinoma is in the consideration. If a young patient, germ cell tumor is in the mix? What's the history? If I have the cell block, I would do some keratin stains, S-100, LCA as my initial work-up. I look forward to hearing from Dr. Zhao.
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35 楼    发表于2008-11-24 23:42:00举报|引用
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 谢谢赵老师的病例,感谢月新老师的翻译,我跟着学习
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 Thank Dr. Chen's analysis. Pt has hx of ENT carcinoma. I asked the cytofellow to find surgical slides to review. My initial differeential dx includes sarcoma and carcinoma (especial RCC and squamous ca based on the hx even though the morphologic features do not look like). Some IHC stains I ordered on site have completed. I have not read them yet. I was in a shadysite cancer center for FNA last week and come back Magee this week. The fellow told me that epithelial markers are positive (PanCK, CK7), squamous markers and TTF1 are negative, vimentin and CD10 positive, EMA negative. I called the primary doctor and told him it is a carcinoma. I ordered more IHC and will review the initial stains tomorrow. Now my differential diagnoses are metastatic RCC (no any history) and metastatic poorly differential nasopharygeal ca. How do I know it is not a lung primary tumor? I will reveiw the original ENT tumor and think more how to signout the case finely.

I will like you know when I have more information.

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37 楼    发表于2008-11-25 11:15:00举报|引用
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  陈隆文博士译文: This case is interesting and may have a broad differential diagnosis.  本例非常有意思有许多需要鉴别,The monotonous population of cells is supporting a neoplastic process. 细胞形态比较单一,考虑为肿瘤,Cells are arranged loosely with little cohesion, cells have abundant cytoplasm with cytoplasmic vaculoes. 细胞结构松散,几乎没有一点排列,胞浆丰富,富含空泡I am wondering about the possibility of  metastatic Renal Cell Carcinoma? 我有点怀疑是转移性肾细胞癌,Also adrenal cortical carcinoma is in the consideration.也考虑肾上腺皮质癌, If a young patient, germ cell tumor is in the mix? 如果患者年轻,生殖细胞肿瘤也不能完全放弃。What's the history?请详细告知病史, If I have the cell block, 如果有细胞块,I would do some keratin stains, S-100, LCA as my initial work-up. 我先要做CK,S-100,LCA。I look forward to hearing from Dr. Zhao.  我盼望着zhao大夫的最后结果。

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38 楼    发表于2008-11-25 23:03:00举报|引用
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 这种染色看得不多,瘤细胞的胞将透亮,细胞有异型, 考虑恶性肿瘤,是转移还是原发? 待看组织切片。
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 CK7 positivity and EMA negative would against renal clear cell carcinoma. This is either a primary lung large cell carcinoma or a metastasis from ENT. Reviewing the slides of the patient's previous ENT tumor is the key. Thanks Dr. Zhao for the update.
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以下是引用陈隆文博士在2008-11-26 6:42:00的发言:

 CK7 positivity and EMA negative would against renal clear cell carcinoma. This is either a primary lung large cell carcinoma or a metastasis from ENT. Reviewing the slides of the patient's previous ENT tumor is the key. Thanks Dr. Zhao for the update.

试着意译,不当之处请陈博士修改,谢谢!
CK7阳性和EMA阴性针对肾透明细胞癌。这是肺大细胞癌或转移的ENT的任何一个。回顾分析病人的ENT肿瘤是关键。谢谢赵博士的更新。
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