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Old women with a breast lesion.

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Fig 2-3: 100x

Fig 4-5: 200x

Fig 6. 400x

What are your differential diagnoses?

  • Breast basal-like carcinoma (cqz 6)图1
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  • Breast basal-like carcinoma (cqz 6)图2
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  • Breast basal-like carcinoma (cqz 6)图3
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  • Breast basal-like carcinoma (cqz 6)图4
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  • Breast basal-like carcinoma (cqz 6)图5
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  • Breast basal-like carcinoma (cqz 6)图6
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 浸润性导管癌(粉刺样型)
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ER and PR stains

Her 2 also negative

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 Now your dx  or comment
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本帖最后由 于 2008-12-03 05:14:00 编辑  Her2/neu stain

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以下是引用天山望月在2008-11-27 22:23:00的发言:

以下是引用古城在2008-11-27 17:12:00的发言:

 呵呵!应该有免疫组化的支持,ER、 PR、 Her-2、 CK5/6和 CK14结果 ?

请教:在HE片上,基底细胞样乳腺癌与浸润性导管癌有哪些鉴别点?谢谢!

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 免疫组化显示“三阴”,不知CK5/6和 CK14结果如何?

有时,浸润性导管癌也会出现“三阴”,在HE上与基底细胞样乳腺癌怎样鉴别?预后相同吗?鉴别有没有意义?

请专家赐教!谢谢!

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 乳腺基底细胞样癌
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 Saw you above response. Can you make the final dx based on morphology and IHC results I showed you?

I hope every one can write down your dx and reasons. I am interested in knowing your thinking. Then I know what I should discuss. Internet is good. You can write what you want to and you do not have any responsibility. I do not know any one of you. It is a free stage for every one.

Anyway I will discuss this topic in details later.

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 非常期待赵老师能将这个作为主题,详细讲讲诊断标准和鉴别诊断要点,以及免疫组化特点。

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  文献记载 乳腺基底细胞样癌形态学特征
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•         膨胀性生长方式,推挤性边缘

•         周边多量淋巴细胞浸润

•         肿瘤中央出现无结构的纤维瘢痕,往往还伴有地图样坏死

•         肿瘤细胞多呈合体状,界限不清,胞质不丰富

•         核分裂象多见,>20/10HPF

•        肿瘤组织常出现梭形细胞、透明细胞、基底细胞样或鳞状细胞化生

IHC表型

   ERPRHER2(-)  

  CK5/6CK14(+)

    EGFR(+)

但不知道只有免疫表型而无形态学特征者是否可以诊断

期待赵老师讲解

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 IHC results

F1 ck5

F2 ck14

F3 ck17

F4 EGFR

F5 Ki67

Hope every one can make your dx. please write down u questions or have some discussion. I will have a relatively detailed discussion here sometimes next week. Now I need to prepare a formal powerpoint presentation to our fellows and residents next week.

 


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 Some one please helps to translate my discussion in my topic 5. Thanks.
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 According to IHC results and 飞雨's illustration, it's consistant with the diagnostic standard of  "basal- like  carcinoma".
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 Seem many of you know this entity well. I almost  finished my  preparation to our fellows next week. I reviewed some papers and summaried the main points here for your reference.

1. The origin of the terminology

Gene expression analyses with cDNA microarray technology identified distinct groups of breast cancers. Based on the patterns of expression of 534 intrinsic genes, the breast carcinoma were sub-classified in to 5 groups, Luminal A, Luminal B, Basal-like, Her2 over-expression, and normal breast-like.

Open to see the original papers in 2001, 2003 if you are really interested

 http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=166244&blobtype=pdf

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=58566&blobtype=pdf

 

2. The relation between IHC stains and microarray gene classification: tumors by ER and Her2:

Tumors with ER expression could be divided into two groups “luminal A” and “luminal B” and no ER expression could be divided into three subgroups: "basal-like" subtype, HER2-positive subtype, and "normal breast-like".

So total five subgroups:

Luminal A: ER+/Her2+

Luminal B: ER+/Her2-

Basal-like: ER-/Her2-

Her2 over expression: ER-/Her2+

Normal breast-like: ER- ...?

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 Continue:

3. Typical Pathologic features: solid growth pattern, high nuclear grade, presence of marked lymphocytic infiltrate, and geographic necrosis. It is not necessary they must have above features.

 

Diagnosis:

A. Triple negative.

B: At least one of basal-like markers is positive, CK5/6 or EGFR, or other basal-like marker CK14, CK17, CD63, 34bE12, We generally use CK5/6 (or CK5), EGFR, CK14, CK17 as a panel. Some use only CK5/6 and EGFR. In fact a lot of cases show EGFR negative or weakly positive. My colleague, Dr. Bhargava demonstrated CK5 is the most sensitive marker (Am J Clin Pathol. 2008 Nov;130(5):724-30).

We do ER/PR/Her2 for all invasive tumors. If triple negative, then basal-like markers will be done for all cases.

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 Continue:

4. Rate:

Accounting for about 15% of all breast carcinoma. It over-presented in young African American women who developed breast ca, comprising 39 of breast ca.

5. Genetic:

Related to BRCA1 mutation, but be aware that most basal-like ca patients are sporadic.

6.

Relation to medullary carcinoma (MBC):

One study shows that MBC belongs to the basal molecular subtype. Basal subtype can be subdivided in at least two subgroups: MBCs and basal DBCs. (François Bertucci et al Gene Expression Profiling Shows Medullary Breast Cancer Is a Subgroup of Basal Breast Cancers Cancer Research 66, 4636-4644, May 1, 2006).

In fact MBC is very rare. We seldom make this dx now. Please think over before you want to disgnose MBC. The clinician will think the patient has a good tumor. Every day we have about 20 breast core biopsies and about 15 breast segmental or total mastectomies, We almost never diagnose MBC in recent years.

In addition, I think most metaplastic carcinoma may belong to the group of basal-like ca also.

Relation to medullary carcinoma (MBC):

One study shows that MBC belongs to the basal molecular subtype. Basal subtype can be subdivided in at least two subgroups: MBCs and basal DBCs. (François Bertucci et al Gene Expression Profiling Shows Medullary Breast Cancer Is a Subgroup of Basal Breast Cancers Cancer Research 66, 4636-4644, May 1, 2006).

In fact MBC is very rare. We seldom make this dx now. Please think over before you want to disgnose MBC. The clinician will think the patient has a good tumor. Every day we have about 20 breast core biopsies and about 15 breast segmental or total mastectomies, We almost never diagnose MBC in recent years.

In addition, I think most metaplastic carcinoma may belong to the group of basal-like ca also.

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 continue.

7. Prognosis

Basal-like breast carcinoma (BBC) associated with high grade, poor prognosis.

Given the triple-negative status of basal-like breast cancer, it cannot be treated with ER-targeted or HER2-targeted therapies, so is primarily treated with chemotherapy. Fortunately, advances in adjuvant therapy appear to benefit ER-negative breast cancer even more than ER-positive breast cancer, and women with the basal-like subtype have similarly benefited.

 

The women with pathologic complete response have good outcome; the poor prognosis of basal-like breast cancer appears to relate to a particularly high risk of early distant relapse among those that had residual disease.

 

8.

Remember the classification and our previous classification are two different systems. In the US, people still use the previous classification, such as invasive ducat ca, lobular ca, mucinous ca, tubular ca….

For the basal-like breast carcinoma like my case, I sign out as invasive ductal carcinoma, basal-like phenotype.

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 Happy to see some study about basa-like ca in China

Hum Pathol. 2008 Feb;39(2):167-74. Epub 2007 Nov 28. Links

Basal-HER2 phenotype shows poorer survival than basal-like phenotype in hormone receptor-negative invasive breast cancers.

Liu H, Fan Q, Zhang Z, Li X, Yu H, Meng F.

Department of Pathology, Nanjing Medical University, Nanjing 210029, PR China.

:Zhonghua Bing Li Xue Za Zhi. 2008 Feb;37(2):83-7. Links

[Morphological features of basal-like subtype invasive carcinoma of breast]

[Article in Chinese]

Gao LX, Yang GZ, Ding HY, Li L.

: Zhonghua Bing Li Xue Za Zhi. 2008 Feb;37(2):83-7. Links

[Morphological features of basal-like subtype invasive carcinoma of breast]

[Article in Chinese]

Gao LX, Yang GZ, Ding HY, Li L.

Department of Pathology, the General Hospital of Beijing Military Command, Beijing 100700, China.

Is 301 hospital?
You can fina the paper in Chinese  to read
I am tired. Hope it can give you a little help.
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60 楼    发表于2008-12-07 10:45:00举报|引用
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 cqzhao 老师的回复:

    看来你们很多人对这一类型的乳腺癌都有认识。我复习了一些文献,摘录了一些要点,供大家参考。

   1、概念的来源:

   用cDNA微阵列技术发现不同类型的乳腺癌,根据534个内源性基因的表达方式,乳腺癌可分为5个亚型:腺腔型A、腺腔型B、基底样型、Her2过表达型和正常乳腺样型。有兴趣的话,可看看以下文献:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=166244&blobtype=pdfhttp://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=58566&blobtype=pdf

 2、免疫组化染色和基因微阵列之间的关系:根据肿瘤表达ER 和 Her2的情况。

  肿瘤细胞表达ER者可分为:腺腔型A和腺腔型B两个亚型

  肿瘤细胞不表达ER者可分为:基底样亚型、HER2过表达亚型、正常乳腺样亚型。

  五个亚型概括为:

  腺腔型A:ER+/Her2+

  腺腔型B:ER+/Her2-

  基底样型:ER-/Her2-

  HER2过表达型:ER-/Her2+

  正常乳腺样型:ER- ...?

 

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