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stevenshen 离线
我个人的做法是:无论是乳腺还是其他什么部位的病变,如果肿物的大小不能同时满足冷冻和常规取材的话,我都会建议临床医生撤销冷冻申请,如果临床医生坚持做,我会直接和病人家属谈话,告知利害关系,建议他不做冷冻切片。如果非要做,第一,病人家属要再次签字确认;第二,我将首先满足冷冻切片需要,首先保证冷冻切片诊断的正确性。至于常规能否诊断则不用去管,能诊断最好,不能诊断则与我们无关。即使病人借切片外出会诊,也没有问题:1、冷冻切片不外借,2、即使外借,明智的专家也不会看冷冻切片作诊断的。
我遇到的绝大部分病人知难而退,其他的常规病理也都做出了诊断。
回沈老师16偻的提问:
我们医院的做法是:
肿块或钙化:1)临床明确良性,在门诊切除肿块,做石蜡诊断。2)临床不肯定良性,住院手术→肿块切除→冰冻诊断→良:手术结束;恶:视病变性质,与患者及家属共同确定进一步手术(普通浸润癌采取改良根治术+同侧腋淋巴结清扫)。
少数临床明确的乳腺癌→粗针穿刺→石蜡诊断,检测ER、PR、HER2→临床新辅助化疗→进一步手术。
乳头溢液:1)印片或涂片细胞学,2)乳管镜,3)发现肿块或可疑恶性→冰冻诊断(其余同上)。
华夏病理/粉蓝医疗
为基层医院病理科提供全面解决方案,
努力让人人享有便捷准确可靠的病理诊断服务。
翻译:
具体情况具体分析:如果病变太小(大体检查有时可能很难明确肿瘤大小),首先保证(石蜡)诊断要求,不宜做冰冻;如果有合适的原因,例如假阴性或假阳性或中间性诊断,应该争取让临床理解和支持,在根治性手术前,决定不做冰冻诊断,而是等待石蜡诊断。
请告诉我,我理解的国内乳腺癌症的诊断和处理过程是否正确?非常感谢。
患者有乳腺肿块,钙化,或乳头溢液→ 切开活检或切除活检(肿块或钙化)→ 请示冰冻诊断:1)如果良性,不做肿块切除或乳房切除;2)如果恶性,肿块切除或乳房切除,同时切除或不切除腋淋巴结。
华夏病理/粉蓝医疗
为基层医院病理科提供全面解决方案,
努力让人人享有便捷准确可靠的病理诊断服务。
stevenshen 离线
Can anyone please tell me whether my understanding is correct about the diagnosis and treatment of breast cancer in China? Thanks very much.
Patients with breast mass, calcification, or nipple discharge → Incisional or excisional biopsy (mass or calcification) → request frozen section diagnosis: 1) If benign, no lumpectomy or mastectomy; 2) if malignant – lumpectomy or mastectomy with or without axillary nodal dissection.
以下是引用mingfuyu在2008-7-11 9:58:00的发言:
It is very difficult to cut frozen sections with breast tissue. We usually do touch prep if a gross tumor is seen. So intraoperative diagnosis is made from touch prep. Frozen section is not routinely done. Marginal status is assessed grossly. We do touch prep and frozen sections for lymph nodes. Due to poor quality of breast tissue FS, we save the best tissue for permanent section, instead of wasting for FS. |
尝试翻译一下老师的发言:乳腺组织做冰冻切片是很困难的,如果可见大体肿瘤,我们常作印片(或压片),冰冻切片并非常规要做。切缘情况也是肉眼判断,淋巴结是印片或压片)及冰冻切片都做。由于乳腺组织冰冻切片质量较差,我们常保留最好的组织做常规切片而不是冰冻。
我们科不做印片的,不知大家如何?国内和国外还是不一样的
It is very difficult to cut frozen sections with breast tissue. We usually do touch prep if a gross tumor is seen. So intraoperative diagnosis is made from touch prep. Frozen section is not routinely done. Marginal status is assessed grossly. We do touch prep and frozen sections for lymph nodes.
Due to poor quality of breast tissue FS, we save the best tissue for permanent section, instead of wasting for FS.