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- 两座城的前世与今生（转图）
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本帖最后由 Rebecca 于 2013-07-23 01:11:18 编辑
引用 1 楼 shanghainese 在 2013-07-22 10:18:04 的发言:
底特律破产的只是市中心。郊区仍然很兴旺。
想买底特律的$1豪斯房，再买1把枪别在身上。很向往能过上在后院种点小白菜、红萝卜...像zhao老师妈妈那样的田园生活...对，还有像shanghainese老师家那样在后院种上几棵苹果树，种一季就可以每年等着摘果子...
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shanghainese: Rebecca老师，您千万被别冒这个险。 那里不是一点点恐惧，好些看房的人都被下回来了。因为您买十把枪都没用。2013-07-22 11:59 -
Rebecca: 谢谢shanghainese老师忠告提醒，我是开玩笑说的。老命不能这样丢在黑哥儿们手上是不？中国大妈抢购黄金已经完败在华尔街大鳄手上，是谁又在忽悠咱中国人赶紧去底特律救市买$1house啊？这次不会是老美老白的主意吧？:2013-07-22 12:27 -
小荷: 来澳洲吧，相对会安全:))2013-07-22 15:24 -
Rebecca: 澳洲——世外桃源好地方。小荷有福气！2013-07-23 01:05
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本帖最后由 Rebecca 于 2013-07-23 01:15:54 编辑
Whoops!
-----------两位美国大学毕业生深入探讨对话 (转)
A: I am not offering blind patriotism nor do I think the USA is "number one" whatever that means. In fact, after I post this I will link to you a clip for The Newsroom where the show addresses this very topic. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJWKccHQFOA
Now the whole reason I posted all this is just to add some clarity to the discussion. The United States is much bigger land mass wise. That is true. At the same time it has around 2.5 times the population of Japan. So, if both populations have a work force that are somewhat similar in their economic output per worker then it stands to reason that Japan will have about 1/3 of the United State's economic output.
The Japanese have created an economic miracle to a degree. I agree with that. They are an island with few natural resources yet they are top three in economic output. So, they turned to technology. Culturally they are very socially oriented which definitely helps with getting the ball rolling economically. Similarly, they are quite homogeneous which I would think is an advantage in many aspects of managing a society. The United States is very diverse. Similarly, Americans are very individualistic. While this helps with innovation it does not always translate in smart long term policies.
For example, the Germans implement clean energy policies which have payed off in recent years. Its much harder to get Americans to agree on these issues. That is due to culture, diverse society, the political climate [state's rights, etc], but also due to the sheer size of the United States, where its much harder to implement a nation wide policy versus a smaller nation.
I: Hahaha, I like it!
A: I don't love blindly. But I have made love blindly.
I: No intent to challenge your patriotism, but here are my thoughts.
1) It is much easier to attain economic success for a geographically large country, according to a theory called "economies of scale". Examples are USA, Russia, China. Although these countries might not be globally the most efficiently run, but they are nonetheless regionally, if not globally, prominent market players. In this regard, I would call Japan's economic achievements "a miracle".
2) True, Japan might enjoyed lots resources from WW2, I agree. In comparison, USA however were in a way better position when it comes to geopolitical advantages. USA have access to both oceans freely, and neighboring countries were either allied forces or insignificants. USA have never encountered mainland military threats ever. Also, USA are a resource-abundant country more than you think; Japan, in comparison, has almost no coal, iron, or oil. Thus, I do not think you want to convince me the resources that the Japanese imperialistic government conquered had sustained their developments for decades.
3) America supported Japan post-WW2, I agree. But, if you want to talk about who was the ultimate winner of WW2, I bet 7 of 10 international scholars would name the USA. The USA was the country that was "intact" - well, except the Pearl Harbor.
4) Very true. Japan used to serve as a trade transaction point, but hey now Korea and Taiwan were gradually substituting Japan since 1980's. That reason doesn't make Japan uniquely irreplaceable for their economic success.
5) Culture. Maybe. You do not mean that Americans could not quickly get to doing the task, do you?
The USA are a great nation, but I guess you do not want to love it blindly. Buddy.
A: Also, I forgot to add .... USA USA USA !!!!
A: Its a complicated issue. You must look at the context. First of all, it is much easier to organize and mobilize a nation that is geographically small. Japan has a big population concentrated in a small land mass. This allows for quick, effective, and easy to implement economic decisions. Secondly, Japan definitely enjoyed a lot of riches and resources they conquered during WW II. Due to their imperialistic policy they were able to gather a lot of resources as well as weaken a number of their neighbors. So, historically and geographically speaking Japan did not have to worry about strong neighbors who would put pressure on the island nation. Thirdly, Japan enjoyed unprecedented American support after WWII which definitely helped with their economic recovery. In fact, the destruction that occurred during WWII never hit the Japanese main land as much as it hit the rest of the world. Fourthly, the Japanese were at a prime location to act as a transition point for trade between Asia and America. Fifthly, culturally speaking Japan has an excellent culture that allows for swift and focused mobilization of the nations populace. If Japan puts their mind onto something due to their history, their size, and their culture they can quickly get to doing the task. This definitely helps with economic policies.
I: I think it's less about politics but more about the fact that Japan, roughly in a land size of California, currently generates 1/3 economic productions of the USA each year, in spite of the aftermath from WW2 that the nation was entirely wiped down to the level. Doesn't that sound alert to anyone, especially those
claiming "We are the greatest country"?
A: Its a lot more complicated than that. Though I see some merit in the idea that the democrats there just spent way too much money. Isn't like 20%+ of Detroit on well-fare/government assistance? That seems a bit high.
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本帖最后由 shanghainese 于 2013-07-23 13:28:55 编辑
香港《南华早报》7月22日文章，原题：破产底特律给众多中国城市拉响警报 在汽车产业蓬勃发展的中国，人们很容易在媒体对底特律申请破产的报道中察觉到一丝欣喜之情。北京正想方设法展示肌肉，在国际社会扮演更重要角色。此时此 刻，对许多官员和民众而言，很难找到更好的象征美国衰退、中国崛起的标志。
许多内地人将底特律破产视为有利可图的投资机会。有关废弃房屋售价低至1美元的传言在内地民众 中蔓延。不过，当他们看到底特律市区的衰败和犯罪情况后，这笔“好买卖”可能会失去吸引力。内地官员们也不应幸灾乐祸。这事件可能具有很重要的象征意义， 但仅限于此。美国汽车制造商依然强大，并已开始从中国市场攫取大量收入。
底特律陨落由一系列因素引发，包括纳税基础不断缩小、养老金和医疗保险体系难以为继、长期管理不善等。但根本原因在于，当汽车产业开始显现衰退时，底 特律未能实现可行的产业多样化和产业变革。由于北京正努力通过产业重组和升级来构建中国制造业实力，他们应将底特律滑向破产视为严重教训。
难以想象中国的大城市会申请破产，但十多个较小规模的城市实际上有着类似命运，唯一的不同在于，中央政府在提供支撑。中国已公布一份包括69个城市在 内的“资源枯竭型城市”名单，其中大多数位于东北或西部，围绕一种或两种独特资源而建，并在数十年开发后面临资源殆尽。这些城市的收入不断减少，居民迁徙 到其他地方寻找工作机会。如何重新焕发他们的活力已成为北京面临的一个长期头疼问题。不受监管的影子银行业务给中国的大城市带来数万亿元的债务，令这些城 市也在走向金融破产。越来越多银行业人士发出警告，债务危机将给中国经济造成严重影响。
中央政府已意识到问题的严重，开始控制债务。但地方官员知道，无论陷入何种程度的债务危机，北京都会出手相救。尽管中国目前尚未出现全国性危机的迹象，但若不能找到有效措施来约束这些地方官，这只是时间早晚问题。提醒他们底特律的下场或许是个不错的开端。
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本帖最后由 Rebecca 于 2013-07-23 01:12:24 编辑
引用 2 楼 琴山 在 2013-07-22 11:04:30 的发言:
右下图视野有局限，鉴定完毕。
局部油镜视野哈。不过确实现在那里是一座‘鬼城’。
记得小苹果2009年12月份放寒假第一次回国，因将暑假一张未用美联航还是大陆航空机票改签为加航机票，由于不知道需要持加拿大过境签证（在多伦多还要再转一次加航飞机）被阻拦在芝加哥奥海尔国际机场加航登机柜台闸口前。为此不得不拖着行李返回学校取车漏夜驱车（来回需要8个小时车程）赶去美加边境底特律加拿大驻美领事馆申请办理过境签证（加国过境签证是免费的，加拿大驻芝加哥领事馆不受理签证这项业务，距离芝加哥最近的加拿大驻美领事馆就在底特律）。还记得他回来后告知我们‘底特律的萧条、萧杀境况让人感到震惊！密歇根州是一个看不见希望的州’。尽管如此，他还是驱车去访问了《8 miles》拍摄地——底特律8 Mile Road（M-102 Michigan highway）
《8 miles》是2002年奥斯卡获奖电影，电影背景设在1995年密歇根底特律。8 Mile路位于由绝大部份为非裔美国人构成的底特律和主要由白人构成的底特律北区之间的分界，“8 Mile”一词因而代表的是一道难以跨越的藩篱。
- 三十功名尘与土，八千里路云与月。
我给我自己科普了下：
广岛是本州西部最大的城市和政治、经济、文化中心，二战之前曾是日本第七大城市。1945年8月6日，美国的一颗原子弹在广岛上空爆炸。顷刻之间，这座位于濑户内海沿岸的工业重镇化为一片瓦砾，近10万人瞬间丧命，这场悲剧使广岛的名字传遍了世界各个角落。
底特律曾经是辉煌的工业城市，有“汽车之城”美誉，但眼下昔日的荣光已不复存在。犯罪率居高不下、城市陷入萧条，令很多人对这座城市望而却步。曾经有200万人口的底特律，现在只剩下70万人。大量中产阶级人士离开底特律，市郊大片区域荒芜破败。
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